Meeting log for Tuesday, August 10th

[David Graham]

See attached for the August 10th, 2004 raw meeting log.

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David "cdlu" Graham - cdlu at newsforge.com
Guelph, Ontario - http://www.railfan.ca/
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Tue Aug 10 15:00:02 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> *GAVEL*
Tue Aug 10 15:00:03 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> [item 1, opening] Today's Software in the Public Interest meeting is called to order.
Tue Aug 10 15:00:07 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> The agenda for today's meeting is at http://cdlu.net/spi-agenda.2004-08-10.txt.
Tue Aug 10 15:00:13 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Since the President seat is vacant at the moment, as vice-president, I'm acting chair today until a new president is appointed.
Tue Aug 10 15:00:16 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> s/.$// 
Tue Aug 10 15:00:20 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> [item 2, roll call] Board members, please state your name for the record.
Tue Aug 10 15:00:24 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Ian Jackson.
Tue Aug 10 15:00:26 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> David Graham 
Tue Aug 10 15:00:28 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> John Goerzen
Tue Aug 10 15:00:31 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Jimmy Kaplowitz
Tue Aug 10 15:00:45 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Non-board members that wish to be noted in the record may /msg cdlu with their full real name.
Tue Aug 10 15:01:28 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> we are 2 short of quorum yet.
Tue Aug 10 15:01:31 2004 | <slef:#spi> full givernment-id real name, or full name for publication purposes
Tue Aug 10 15:01:33 2004 | * bdale:#spi is here
Tue Aug 10 15:01:40 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Bdale Garbee
Tue Aug 10 15:01:58 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> slef: real name. what will show up on the minutes. 
Tue Aug 10 15:02:02 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> need one more...
Tue Aug 10 15:02:09 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> mako, overfiend, you were here a moment ago. 
Tue Aug 10 15:02:16 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> bruceperens: ping? 
[#spi] Joey (joey at luonnotar.infodrom.org) has joined the channel..
Tue Aug 10 15:02:32 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> hey Joey 
Tue Aug 10 15:02:35 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> we're quorate 
Tue Aug 10 15:02:41 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> back
Tue Aug 10 15:02:46 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> 7! 
Tue Aug 10 15:02:49 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> the chair notes the presence of Martin 'Joey' Schulze.
Tue Aug 10 15:02:51 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> names please, gents 
Tue Aug 10 15:02:55 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Branden Robinson
Tue Aug 10 15:03:05 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> ok, did we get everyone?
Tue Aug 10 15:03:06 2004 | <weasel:#spi> cdlu: 7! == 5040
Tue Aug 10 15:03:16 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> weasel: lol 
Tue Aug 10 15:03:27 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Since the board has 9 members, quorum for today's meeting is 6 and has been met.
Tue Aug 10 15:03:34 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> [item 3, new members] I'll note for the record that Branden Robinson and Bdale Garbee were elected by SPI membership to the board on July 29.
Tue Aug 10 15:03:39 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> I'd like to thank outgoing board members Wichert Akkerman and Ean Schuessler for their service, and Michael Greb for standing as a candidate in this election.
[#spi] cate (cate at dhcp-17-061.via-eth.ch) has joined the channel..
Tue Aug 10 15:03:45 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> This means that the president and secretary positions are presently unfilled.
Tue Aug 10 15:03:47 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Does anyone have anything to add?
Tue Aug 10 15:04:07 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> It's my understanding that per the bylaws, we need to re-elect all officer positions.
* cdlu has changed the topic for #spi to: Please welcome Bdale Garbee and Branden Robinson to the Board || http://cdlu.net/spi-agenda.2004-08-10.txt || Guests, please /msg cdlu your full real name.
Tue Aug 10 15:04:18 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> yes, that is the next item on the agenda
Tue Aug 10 15:04:31 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> I'm not sure if that's the bylaws or our election resolution, but it's going to happen
Tue Aug 10 15:04:31 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> I was offering you a smooth segue.  :)
Tue Aug 10 15:04:35 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> bdale, have you been added to spi-board?
Tue Aug 10 15:04:41 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Overfiend: ahh, thanks :-)
[#spi] jello (joe at user-0ccems1.cable.mindspring.com) has joined the channel..
Tue Aug 10 15:05:03 2004 | <bdale:#spi> CosmicRay: I believe I was finally added in my advisory capacity a couple of months ago, I seem to be getting board email ok.
Tue Aug 10 15:05:10 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> ok.  I guess we can move on then.
Tue Aug 10 15:05:15 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> [item 4, office selection] Pursuant to 2004-06-01.dbg.2, the board has the duty to select officers from its current members.
Tue Aug 10 15:05:20 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> All seats, even those not vacated by the recent election, are to be decided today.
Tue Aug 10 15:05:22 2004 | <bdale:#spi> fwiw, I've been vacating and not keeping up with email, hence the silence
Tue Aug 10 15:05:25 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> David Graham has posted a list of known candidates under item 4 in his agenda at http://cdlu.net/spi-agenda.2004-08-10.txt.  Was anyone missed in that list?
Tue Aug 10 15:05:39 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> I was told there'd be a call for nominations at the meeting
Tue Aug 10 15:05:45 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> David gathered those informally
Tue Aug 10 15:05:48 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> this would be that call.
Tue Aug 10 15:05:49 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> (AIUI)
Tue Aug 10 15:05:58 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> please declare you intent to seek an office if you'd like.
Tue Aug 10 15:06:03 2004 | * bdale:#spi is reading the list now
Tue Aug 10 15:06:08 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> I'd appreciate counsel from my fellow Board Members as to whether I should run for Veep ;)
Tue Aug 10 15:06:17 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> Overfiend, it is a personal decision. 
Tue Aug 10 15:06:23 2004 | <mako:#spi> i'm here
Tue Aug 10 15:06:31 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> I don't have an opinion, but I don't think anyone would mind if you did.
Tue Aug 10 15:06:32 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> great, everyone's answering but Bruce :) 
Tue Aug 10 15:06:33 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> I think both mako and Overfiend would do a good job as VP
Tue Aug 10 15:06:46 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> And a contested election is no bad thing anyway.
Tue Aug 10 15:06:58 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Overfiend: so, IMHO, it is indeed up to you
Tue Aug 10 15:07:06 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> I continue to be rather bolted into the SPI corporate infrastructure, so something tells me that I should have a position commensurate with my de facto responsibility.
Tue Aug 10 15:07:06 2004 | <bdale:#spi> is everyone on the list of tentative candidates willing to serve?
Tue Aug 10 15:07:12 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> OTOH, maybe that's just my ego talking.
Tue Aug 10 15:07:15 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> bdale: I am, at least
Tue Aug 10 15:07:16 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> bdale: all members on that list have asked to be. 
Tue Aug 10 15:07:25 2004 | <bdale:#spi> cdlu: ok, works for me
Tue Aug 10 15:07:26 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> I realize it's my decision, but I'm going to solicit you guys' opinions anyway.  :)
Tue Aug 10 15:07:43 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> I think if you want the job you should stand and we can vote for you or mako.
Tue Aug 10 15:07:50 2004 | * cdlu:#spi nods 
Tue Aug 10 15:07:56 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Okay, I hereby stand for the position of VP.
Tue Aug 10 15:08:10 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> is there anyone else that wishes to be considered for an officer position?
Tue Aug 10 15:08:10 2004 | * cdlu:#spi adds you to the list 
Tue Aug 10 15:08:12 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> anyone else? 
Tue Aug 10 15:08:12 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Overfiend: one question: will you have the time to properly do it in addition to being a board member?
Tue Aug 10 15:08:14 2004 | <bdale:#spi> I was willing to stand for Pres if the slate were empty, but I'd be quite satisfied with John taking that position.
Tue Aug 10 15:08:35 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Hydroxide: Well, perhaps now is a good time to discuss what the responsibilities of Veep are.
Tue Aug 10 15:08:41 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> I think this is a fine line-up and have no desire to stand for anything :-).
Tue Aug 10 15:08:58 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> okay ... let's start by going to the bylaws to see what it says
Tue Aug 10 15:09:16 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> The Vice-President shall in the event of the absence or inability of the President to exercise his or her office become acting President of the organization with all the rights, privileges and powers as if he or she had been the duly elected President.
Tue Aug 10 15:09:29 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> that's it
Tue Aug 10 15:09:30 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Overfiend: basically, nothing unless the president goes missing
Tue Aug 10 15:09:39 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Overfiend: this is only the second time I've had to do anything as VP
Tue Aug 10 15:09:49 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> CosmicRay, Overfiend: (missing or busy, that is)
Tue Aug 10 15:09:55 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> I'm comfortable with that role.  I feel I have a pretty good attendance record.
Tue Aug 10 15:09:59 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> right, missing, unavailable, whatever.
Tue Aug 10 15:10:15 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Does mako want to say anything ?
Tue Aug 10 15:10:24 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> mako: speak now or forever hold your votes? 
Tue Aug 10 15:10:29 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> okheh
Tue Aug 10 15:10:34 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> s/ok//
Tue Aug 10 15:10:53 2004 | <mako:#spi> i'm comfortable as well
Tue Aug 10 15:11:00 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Hydroxide: now is not the time to pray to the great antler-headed god Okheh
Tue Aug 10 15:11:05 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> ok.  Shall we then vote on the three uncontested seats and then on the vice-pres?
Tue Aug 10 15:11:17 2004 | * Hydroxide:#spi seconds CosmicRay's implicit motion
Tue Aug 10 15:11:20 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> cosmicray: sure.  
Tue Aug 10 15:11:21 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Um, we can avoid voting on the uncontested seats ?
Tue Aug 10 15:11:24 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> But if not, fine.
Tue Aug 10 15:11:26 2004 | <mako:#spi> sounds good
Tue Aug 10 15:11:29 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Diziet: we need to affirm them
Tue Aug 10 15:11:31 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote start
Tue Aug 10 15:11:31 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Starting a new vote
Tue Aug 10 15:11:32 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> well, does anyone disagree with any of the uncontested candidates? 
Tue Aug 10 15:11:44 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Let's just vote for all three uncontested seats at once
Tue Aug 10 15:11:48 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> OK.
Tue Aug 10 15:11:49 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:11:50 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Diziet
Tue Aug 10 15:11:52 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote yes 
Tue Aug 10 15:11:52 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:11:53 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Hydroxide
Tue Aug 10 15:11:53 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from cdlu
Tue Aug 10 15:11:54 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> Bruce Perens is here. Sorry.
Tue Aug 10 15:11:59 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> uh, that's out of order
Tue Aug 10 15:12:05 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> it's up to the Chair to decide what the vote's on.
Tue Aug 10 15:12:12 2004 | <mako:#spi> hi bruce
Tue Aug 10 15:12:12 2004 | <bdale:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:12:13 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from bdale
Tue Aug 10 15:12:14 2004 | <Joey:#spi> vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:12:16 2004 | <mako:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:12:17 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from mako
Tue Aug 10 15:12:26 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> CosmicRay: ? :) 
Tue Aug 10 15:12:28 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:12:28 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted abstain vote from CosmicRay
Tue Aug 10 15:12:29 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Joey: try !vote yes (note the exclamation)
Tue Aug 10 15:12:33 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> Aye.
Tue Aug 10 15:12:35 2004 | * Overfiend:#spi interprets CR's silence as assent :)
Tue Aug 10 15:12:37 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:12:38 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Overfiend
Tue Aug 10 15:12:41 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:12:42 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Overfiend: yes
Tue Aug 10 15:12:49 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:12:50 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from BrucePerens
Tue Aug 10 15:12:51 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Right, good.
Tue Aug 10 15:12:53 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> !vote abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:12:54 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted abstain vote from Hydroxide
Tue Aug 10 15:12:59 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> I should probably abstain since I'm one of them
Tue Aug 10 15:13:01 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> does that get everyone?
Tue Aug 10 15:13:09 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> It's decisive, anyway.
Tue Aug 10 15:13:11 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> I think so. 
Tue Aug 10 15:13:14 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> how do we end the vote?
Tue Aug 10 15:13:17 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote stop 
Tue Aug 10 15:13:18 2004 | <bolt:#spi> vote result: yes. 6 yes votes, 0 no votes and 2 abstains
Tue Aug 10 15:13:19 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> If we missed anyone they can say later and we'll add them in the minutes.
Tue Aug 10 15:13:22 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> like that
Tue Aug 10 15:13:29 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> Joey tried to vote yes but was unbanged. 
Tue Aug 10 15:13:32 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> 7 yes, 2 maybes. 
Tue Aug 10 15:13:32 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> there was a 7th yes vote, from Joey, but he didn't type the bot command right
Tue Aug 10 15:13:33 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> *nod*
Tue Aug 10 15:13:43 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> ok, let the record show that David Graham was selected for secretary, Jimmy Kaplowitz as Treasurer, and John Goerzen for president.
Tue Aug 10 15:13:44 2004 | <mako:#spi> i'll be abstaining from vp votes
Tue Aug 10 15:13:53 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Joey practices a form of civil disobediance whereby he adheres to the spirit of procedures, but not the letter :)
Tue Aug 10 15:13:57 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> mako: but yours could be the deciding vote. ;) 
Tue Aug 10 15:14:00 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> mako: so type !vote abstain at the appropriate time ...
Tue Aug 10 15:14:00 2004 | <bdale:#spi> who are our VP candidates now?
Tue Aug 10 15:14:03 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> are we ready to vote for VP?
Tue Aug 10 15:14:04 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Is the VP vote secret or public ?
Tue Aug 10 15:14:06 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> cdlu: heh, it makes sense for him to abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:14:09 2004 | * Overfiend:#spi will abstain from the VP vote as well
Tue Aug 10 15:14:10 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> mako and Overfiend.
Tue Aug 10 15:14:11 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Diziet: public
Tue Aug 10 15:14:15 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> cr: OK.
Tue Aug 10 15:14:22 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> Overfiend, mako, this is a tough decision. 
Tue Aug 10 15:14:44 2004 | <mako:#spi> what is the method here?
Tue Aug 10 15:14:52 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> that's good.  It's good to have choices between people you like for the position (assuming that's the case).  Beats U.S. Presidental elections.
Tue Aug 10 15:14:53 2004 | <mako:#spi> the voting method that is
Tue Aug 10 15:15:00 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> well, I suppose since our voting engine can do only yes or no, we'll take first one and then the other.
Tue Aug 10 15:15:03 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> CosmicRay: I propose that we ask members to specify the name of their preferred candidate. 
Tue Aug 10 15:15:04 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> is there any discussion first?
Tue Aug 10 15:15:04 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> since there are two candidates, we could just use the votebot again and define one as "yes" and one as "no"
Tue Aug 10 15:15:05 2004 | <mako:#spi> approval or pick-one
Tue Aug 10 15:15:06 2004 | <bdale:#spi> I'm willing to serve as VP too.  Let's make it interesting.  ;-)
Tue Aug 10 15:15:13 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Hydroxide: or that.
Tue Aug 10 15:15:18 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> ah, bdale just shot that idea to hell =)
Tue Aug 10 15:15:19 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Oh, OK.  An extra candidate.
Tue Aug 10 15:15:20 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Hydroxide: nix that. :-)
Tue Aug 10 15:15:23 2004 | * Overfiend:#spi renames bdale "Ralph Nader"
Tue Aug 10 15:15:24 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> eep, ok. 
Tue Aug 10 15:15:32 2004 | * cdlu:#spi adds Bdale 
Tue Aug 10 15:15:39 2004 | <cdlu:#spi>  Vice President (candidates: Benj. Mako Hill, Branden Robinson, Bdale Garbee) 
Tue Aug 10 15:15:44 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> well, we can just do the vote like we did from before the votebot
Tue Aug 10 15:15:47 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> i.e., just saying it
Tue Aug 10 15:15:51 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> We should do Condorcet and if it is deadlocked we'll think again ?
Tue Aug 10 15:15:51 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> shall we just do this manually, each person naming a preferred candidate?
Tue Aug 10 15:15:56 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> if the candidates abstain, we have an odd number of voters.
Tue Aug 10 15:15:57 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> CosmicRay: one sec... 
Tue Aug 10 15:16:01 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> CR: yeah;
Tue Aug 10 15:16:11 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> counting 5 votes should be within even our limited capacity :)
Tue Aug 10 15:16:14 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> CosmicRay: can we hold it in the following manner: each person states their preferred candidate. The winning 2 then get a run-off? 
Tue Aug 10 15:16:15 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Condorcet with 7 electors shouldn't be that hard.
Tue Aug 10 15:16:19 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Overfiend: if candidates abstain, we lose the pref on the other two, though
Tue Aug 10 15:16:21 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> If two abstain :-).
Tue Aug 10 15:16:25 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> cdlu: that would work.
Tue Aug 10 15:16:29 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> cdlu: That's good for me to.
Tue Aug 10 15:16:36 2004 | <slef:#spi> The votebot needs upgrade to allow the chair to specify the option range for each vote.
Tue Aug 10 15:16:45 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> ok, any objections to voting with cdlu's method?
Tue Aug 10 15:16:46 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Yeah, but we'll do it by hand this time.
Tue Aug 10 15:16:58 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> I object to using Condorcet because I always lose that way :-P
Tue Aug 10 15:17:00 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> or better... 
Tue Aug 10 15:17:05 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Overfiend: ;-)
Tue Aug 10 15:17:08 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> mako: shall we un-abstain then?
Tue Aug 10 15:17:13 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> CosmicRay: everyone should state the name of ALL candidates they prefer. the most named person wins. :) 
Tue Aug 10 15:17:25 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> ov and mako should definitely vote, yes, and should probably vote for themselves as 1st pref.
Tue Aug 10 15:17:27 2004 | <jello:#spi> cdlu: aka approval voting
Tue Aug 10 15:17:30 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Overfiend: I think it's best to abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:17:31 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Likewise bdale.
Tue Aug 10 15:17:31 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> jello: yeah 
Tue Aug 10 15:17:35 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> CosmicRay: approval or run-off? 
Tue Aug 10 15:17:40 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Overfiend: just as a matter of avoiding appearance of conflict of interest
Tue Aug 10 15:17:41 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> let's do run-off
Tue Aug 10 15:17:44 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Or I suppose you could vote for someone else.
Tue Aug 10 15:17:44 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> ok 
Tue Aug 10 15:17:46 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> are we ready to vote?
Tue Aug 10 15:17:53 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Conflict of interest is OK when you're voting.
Tue Aug 10 15:17:55 2004 | * cdlu:#spi nods uncertainly 
Tue Aug 10 15:17:58 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Politicians get to vote too :-).
Tue Aug 10 15:18:05 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Diziet: *shrug*
Tue Aug 10 15:18:06 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> well, self-interest is kind of a given
Tue Aug 10 15:18:08 2004 | <bdale:#spi> I think we should all vote
Tue Aug 10 15:18:09 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> (I mean, ok in elections.)
Tue Aug 10 15:18:14 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> My first pref is Bdale.
Tue Aug 10 15:18:15 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> shall we? :) 
Tue Aug 10 15:18:16 2004 | <mako:#spi> alright, i'm happy voting
Tue Aug 10 15:18:19 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> OK, board members, please name your preferred candidate for round 1 for VP: Benj. Mako Hill, Brandeon Robinson, or Bdale Garbee.  The top 2 will do a run-off.
Tue Aug 10 15:18:22 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> state it as "VOTE: name" 
Tue Aug 10 15:18:24 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> bdale doesn't want to do what Mako and I agreed to, so we can accomodate him.
Tue Aug 10 15:18:29 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> VOTE: Bdale.
Tue Aug 10 15:18:35 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> VOTE: Benjamin Mako Hill 
Tue Aug 10 15:18:39 2004 | <Joey:#spi> vote: Bdale
Tue Aug 10 15:18:40 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> VOTE: Branden
Tue Aug 10 15:18:42 2004 | <mako:#spi> vote: mako
Tue Aug 10 15:18:42 2004 | <bdale:#spi> VOTE: Bdale
Tue Aug 10 15:18:49 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> VOTE: Benjamin Mako Hill
Tue Aug 10 15:18:54 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> VOTE: branden
Tue Aug 10 15:18:55 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> told you I always lose by that method
Tue Aug 10 15:18:59 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> hehe :( 
Tue Aug 10 15:19:01 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> VOTE: mako
Tue Aug 10 15:19:28 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> ov: You're just not pretty and tall enough.  And you don't run good enough TV adverts either.
Tue Aug 10 15:19:35 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> has everyone voted?
Tue Aug 10 15:19:47 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> Branden, a vote against you doesn't mean we don't like you. Of course, we COULD not like you.
Tue Aug 10 15:19:52 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> I really think any of the candidates would be good, just for the record, but I can't vote that way
Tue Aug 10 15:19:55 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> diziet, Joey, Bdale: Bdale. Overfiend, CosmicRay: Overfiend. mako, cdlu, bruceperens, hydroxide: mako 
Tue Aug 10 15:20:00 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> BrucePerens: yes, you made that clear at Linuxworld :-P
Tue Aug 10 15:20:01 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> run-off is mako and bdale. 
Tue Aug 10 15:20:25 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> CR: yes, 9 votes. 
Tue Aug 10 15:20:27 2004 | <mako:#spi> so it's up to overfiedn and CosmicRay unless anyone wants to change their vote between mako and bdale 
Tue Aug 10 15:20:27 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> ok, let's do this one with the vote bot.  a YES vote is MAKO, a NO vote is BDALE.
Tue Aug 10 15:20:28 2004 | * Overfiend:#spi really does need to re-envision his political strategy.  The electorate is a sexy woman I'm trying to get into bed :)
Tue Aug 10 15:20:34 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote start 
Tue Aug 10 15:20:35 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Starting a new vote
Tue Aug 10 15:20:38 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> !vote no
Tue Aug 10 15:20:38 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted no vote from Diziet
Tue Aug 10 15:20:41 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote yes 
Tue Aug 10 15:20:42 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from cdlu
Tue Aug 10 15:20:42 2004 | <mako:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:20:43 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from mako
Tue Aug 10 15:20:48 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:20:48 2004 | <bdale:#spi> !vote no
Tue Aug 10 15:20:48 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted abstain vote from CosmicRay
Tue Aug 10 15:20:48 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted no vote from bdale
Tue Aug 10 15:20:51 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> !vote abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:20:51 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted abstain vote from Overfiend
Tue Aug 10 15:20:53 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:20:54 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from BrucePerens
Tue Aug 10 15:20:59 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:20:59 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Hydroxide
Tue Aug 10 15:21:16 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> is that everyone?
Tue Aug 10 15:21:16 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote stop 
Tue Aug 10 15:21:17 2004 | <bolt:#spi> vote result: yes. 4 yes votes, 2 no votes and 2 abstains
Tue Aug 10 15:21:21 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> no, missing one person 
Tue Aug 10 15:21:27 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> there are 9 board members
Tue Aug 10 15:21:31 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Joey is missing again, I think
Tue Aug 10 15:21:32 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Joey?
Tue Aug 10 15:21:34 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> yeah, Joey. 
Tue Aug 10 15:21:37 2004 | <slef:#spi> Overfiend: we look forward to you scrutinising the VP for us regular members.
Tue Aug 10 15:21:39 2004 | <mako:#spi> joey voted for bdlae last time
Tue Aug 10 15:21:51 2004 | * slef:#spi promotes himself to royalty... ahem
Tue Aug 10 15:21:53 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Well, his vote can't make a difference, since mako is 2 ahead.
Tue Aug 10 15:21:55 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> slef: don't you have Bruce for that? :)
Tue Aug 10 15:21:58 2004 | * mako:#spi nods
Tue Aug 10 15:22:01 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> I would change my vote to abstain, except that it would deadlock us
Tue Aug 10 15:22:02 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> He can tell us later what he wanted to vote.
Tue Aug 10 15:22:05 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> we know the outcome anyway, though -- congrats to Benj. Mako Hill for VP.
Tue Aug 10 15:22:07 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> and it would be better to have a decision
Tue Aug 10 15:22:08 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> CosmicRay: make the call whether we wait for Joey or call it done. 
Tue Aug 10 15:22:13 2004 | <bdale:#spi> mako: congrats!
Tue Aug 10 15:22:13 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> congratulations, Mako!
Tue Aug 10 15:22:19 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> congratulations mako! 
Tue Aug 10 15:22:22 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Or we can count him as abstain.
Tue Aug 10 15:22:23 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Overfiend: we can commiserate over a beer sometime...
Tue Aug 10 15:22:28 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> thanks for playing, who wants to be a VPionnaire Bdale and Branden 
Tue Aug 10 15:22:29 2004 | <slef:#spi> Overfiend: dunno. I don't read top-posts much.
Tue Aug 10 15:22:29 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Yes, congratulations.
Tue Aug 10 15:22:35 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> *grin*
Tue Aug 10 15:22:36 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> bdale: make it Scotch and you've got a deal :)
Tue Aug 10 15:22:39 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> Branden, I am not royalty. I am a "luminary". Who the heck knows what that means?
Tue Aug 10 15:22:43 2004 | <Joey:#spi> Err?
Tue Aug 10 15:22:46 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Overfiend: yes, that works better for me too.  ;-)
Tue Aug 10 15:22:47 2004 | <Joey:#spi> Waht are you voting on anyway?
Tue Aug 10 15:22:54 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> Joey: "yes" is mako "no" is bdale 
Tue Aug 10 15:22:56 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Joey: run-off
Tue Aug 10 15:22:56 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> *smacks forehead*
Tue Aug 10 15:22:57 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> run-off vote 
Tue Aug 10 15:22:58 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Joey: bdale or mako for vp
Tue Aug 10 15:23:11 2004 | <Joey:#spi> I thought we just voted on the VP and I did vote, also before.
Tue Aug 10 15:23:14 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Yes.
Tue Aug 10 15:23:20 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> But we do it in two rounds.
Tue Aug 10 15:23:20 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> BrucePerens: "luminary" --> same root as "luminous"; meaning you're supposed to shed light, not head ;-)
Tue Aug 10 15:23:20 2004 | * cdlu:#spi gives up on Joey 
Tue Aug 10 15:23:21 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> next :) 
Tue Aug 10 15:23:22 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> errr
Tue Aug 10 15:23:23 2004 | <Joey:#spi> (well, maybe it didn't work since my connection broke down)
Tue Aug 10 15:23:24 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> s/head/heat/
Tue Aug 10 15:23:38 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> let's not do a Freudian analysis on THAT slip, please.
Tue Aug 10 15:23:47 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> cdlu: just note him the same way for the second vote in the minutes, I guess.
Tue Aug 10 15:23:53 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> ok, are we ready to move on?
Tue Aug 10 15:23:56 2004 | <slef:#spi> Overfiend: if he's shedding head, does that mean you think someone is giving him it?
Tue Aug 10 15:23:57 2004 | <mako:#spi> i think we can count joey as a vote for bdale
Tue Aug 10 15:23:57 2004 | <bdale:#spi> yes
Tue Aug 10 15:23:57 2004 | <Joey:#spi> What is "run-off"?
Tue Aug 10 15:24:00 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> sure
Tue Aug 10 15:24:05 2004 | <slef:#spi> Overfiend: too late, sorry.
Tue Aug 10 15:24:07 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Joey: Like in the French presidential election.
Tue Aug 10 15:24:10 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> OK, I will shed light not give head. Sorry. 
Tue Aug 10 15:24:14 2004 | <mako:#spi> Joey: like a second election where people to get to chose between the remaining candidates
Tue Aug 10 15:24:16 2004 | <Joey:#spi> did mako and bdale get the same votes in the first round?
Tue Aug 10 15:24:16 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> Joey: three candidates -- worst one is dropped, two candidates, worst one is dropped, and you have a winner. it's a run-off. 
Tue Aug 10 15:24:19 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> First round you vote once, then some subset gets eliminated, now vote again.
Tue Aug 10 15:24:28 2004 | <Joey:#spi> Diziet: I'm not living in .fr nor do I know their voting behaviour.
Tue Aug 10 15:24:28 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> joey: No, but neither got an absolute majority.
Tue Aug 10 15:24:34 2004 | <mako:#spi> Joey: no, i got one more, but we wanted to let the people who voted for branden have a say
Tue Aug 10 15:24:37 2004 | <Joey:#spi> Aha.
Tue Aug 10 15:24:41 2004 | <Joey:#spi> then I vote vor Bdale again
Tue Aug 10 15:24:41 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> So be warned, folks.  I am officially the worst of the worst.  ;-)
Tue Aug 10 15:24:44 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Joey: it's ok, mako won regardless of your vote.  it's all good.
Tue Aug 10 15:24:50 2004 | <mako:#spi> Joey: right.. it didn'
Tue Aug 10 15:24:51 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Joey: Well, I just thought you might have had some awareness of something.  You might remember `vote crook not racist' ?
Tue Aug 10 15:24:55 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> the people who voted for Branden refused to vote in the second round, negating the whole point... :) 
Tue Aug 10 15:25:10 2004 | <bdale:#spi> cdlu: heh
Tue Aug 10 15:25:12 2004 | <mako:#spi> ok, so can we move to the other business?
Tue Aug 10 15:25:12 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> ANYway.
Tue Aug 10 15:25:13 2004 | <jello:#spi> Overfiend: in that case, it's good you weren't elected...
Tue Aug 10 15:25:18 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> anyhow, CosmicRay, resolutions? 
Tue Aug 10 15:25:18 2004 | <mako:#spi> CosmicRay: do your thing :)
Tue Aug 10 15:25:22 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> [item 5, resolutions] We have three  on the agenda to consider.  First, 2004-08-10.dbg.2: Annual meeting board member elections.
Tue Aug 10 15:25:34 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> is there discussion on this item or are we ready to vote?
Tue Aug 10 15:25:38 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> jello: just parsing the language cdlu used :)
Tue Aug 10 15:26:01 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> Overfiend: I nominate you Leader of SPI's Official Opposition. :) 
Tue Aug 10 15:26:04 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> just to point out for anyone who doesn't know: the agenda URL in /topic has the full text of all resolutions up for a vote today
Tue Aug 10 15:26:12 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> thanks hydroxide.
Tue Aug 10 15:26:17 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> is everyone ready to vote?
Tue Aug 10 15:26:21 2004 | * cdlu:#spi is 
Tue Aug 10 15:26:26 2004 | <mako:#spi> i've read it and am ready to vote
Tue Aug 10 15:26:26 2004 | <bdale:#spi> yes
Tue Aug 10 15:26:30 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> CosmicRay: aye, cap'n
Tue Aug 10 15:26:30 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> this vote is on 2004-08-10.dbg.2
Tue Aug 10 15:26:32 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote start
Tue Aug 10 15:26:32 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> ditto
Tue Aug 10 15:26:33 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Starting a new vote
Tue Aug 10 15:26:34 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:26:35 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Diziet
Tue Aug 10 15:26:35 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:26:36 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote yes 
Tue Aug 10 15:26:36 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Overfiend
Tue Aug 10 15:26:36 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:26:37 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from cdlu
Tue Aug 10 15:26:37 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:26:37 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from CosmicRay
Tue Aug 10 15:26:38 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Hydroxide
Tue Aug 10 15:26:39 2004 | <bdale:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:26:40 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from bdale
Tue Aug 10 15:26:48 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> joey?
Tue Aug 10 15:26:54 2004 | <mako:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:26:55 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from mako
Tue Aug 10 15:26:59 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> joey and bruce... 
Tue Aug 10 15:27:04 2004 | * cdlu:#spi turns on "the usual suspects" 
Tue Aug 10 15:27:05 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> CR: civil disobedience, remember :)
Tue Aug 10 15:27:08 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> heh
Tue Aug 10 15:27:12 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> bruce?
Tue Aug 10 15:27:12 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> the outcome is no longer in doubt
Tue Aug 10 15:27:16 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote stop
Tue Aug 10 15:27:17 2004 | <bolt:#spi> vote result: yes. 7 yes votes, 0 no votes and 0 abstains
Tue Aug 10 15:27:24 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> 2004-08-10.dbg.2 passes.
Tue Aug 10 15:27:34 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> next: Resolution 2004-08-10.iwj.1: Project Framework (amendment to 1998-11-16.iwj.1)
Tue Aug 10 15:27:43 2004 | * cdlu:#spi ready 
Tue Aug 10 15:27:43 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> any discussion?
Tue Aug 10 15:27:46 2004 | * Hydroxide:#spi is ready
Tue Aug 10 15:27:48 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:27:48 2004 | <Joey:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:27:49 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from BrucePerens
Tue Aug 10 15:27:49 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Joey
Tue Aug 10 15:27:52 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> heh 
Tue Aug 10 15:27:53 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote stop 
Tue Aug 10 15:27:54 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> wait a minute
Tue Aug 10 15:27:54 2004 | <bolt:#spi> vote result: yes. 9 yes votes, 0 no votes and 0 abstains
Tue Aug 10 15:27:54 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> !vote stop
Tue Aug 10 15:27:55 2004 | <bolt:#spi> vote result: yes. 9 yes votes, 0 no votes and 0 abstains
Tue Aug 10 15:27:58 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote start
Tue Aug 10 15:27:59 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:27:59 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Starting a new vote
Tue Aug 10 15:28:01 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Diziet
Tue Aug 10 15:28:01 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> Sorry, it took a while to parse.
Tue Aug 10 15:28:03 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote yes 
Tue Aug 10 15:28:04 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from cdlu
Tue Aug 10 15:28:04 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> now vote.
Tue Aug 10 15:28:06 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:28:07 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Hydroxide
Tue Aug 10 15:28:07 2004 | <mako:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:28:08 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from mako
Tue Aug 10 15:28:11 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:28:12 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from CosmicRay
Tue Aug 10 15:28:16 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> this vote is for the second resolution on the agenda, just to make it clear
Tue Aug 10 15:28:17 2004 | <Joey:#spi> Err.
Tue Aug 10 15:28:18 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> !vote abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:28:18 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted abstain vote from Overfiend
Tue Aug 10 15:28:18 2004 | <Joey:#spi> Stop
Tue Aug 10 15:28:27 2004 | <Joey:#spi> my vote was for 2004-08-10.dbg.2
Tue Aug 10 15:28:28 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> joey?
Tue Aug 10 15:28:31 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Joey: we got that
Tue Aug 10 15:28:34 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Joey, you have to say "!vote stop" to do that.
Tue Aug 10 15:28:34 2004 | <Joey:#spi> You'[re too fast for me
Tue Aug 10 15:28:42 2004 | <bdale:#spi> ! vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:28:46 2004 | <bdale:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:28:46 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from bdale
Tue Aug 10 15:28:47 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Joey: we recorded that vote correctly
Tue Aug 10 15:28:52 2004 | <Joey:#spi> Ah.
Tue Aug 10 15:28:53 2004 | <mako:#spi> Joey: noted in the log
Tue Aug 10 15:28:56 2004 | <Joey:#spi> good.
Tue Aug 10 15:28:57 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Joey: now we're voting on the second resolution
Tue Aug 10 15:28:59 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:29:00 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from BrucePerens
Tue Aug 10 15:29:10 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> the vote on Resolution 2004-08-10.iwj.1 - Project Framework remains open
Tue Aug 10 15:29:19 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote yes 
Tue Aug 10 15:29:20 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from cdlu
Tue Aug 10 15:29:29 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote stop 
Tue Aug 10 15:29:30 2004 | <bolt:#spi> vote result: yes. 7 yes votes, 0 no votes and 1 abstains
Tue Aug 10 15:29:38 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> not in doubt, move on :) 
Tue Aug 10 15:29:41 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Joey: do you want to get a vote in on the second resolution?
Tue Aug 10 15:29:44 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> I wish that bot would grow some grammar.  The noun is "abstention".
Tue Aug 10 15:29:45 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> 2004-08-10.iwj.1 passes.
Tue Aug 10 15:29:54 2004 | <Joey:#spi> ! vote abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:30:03 2004 | <Joey:#spi> I cannot vote, sorry
Tue Aug 10 15:30:08 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> ok let's move on
Tue Aug 10 15:30:09 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote not ! vote or vote 
Tue Aug 10 15:30:09 2004 | <mako:#spi> Joey: np
Tue Aug 10 15:30:09 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Usage: !vote (start|stop|yes|no|abstain)
Tue Aug 10 15:30:12 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> ok, we'll count that as two extensions
Tue Aug 10 15:30:16 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> err abstentions
Tue Aug 10 15:30:16 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> heh
Tue Aug 10 15:30:20 2004 | <Joey:#spi> There was a flow of amendments that I cannot parse within 20 seconds
Tue Aug 10 15:30:20 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Resolution 2004-08-10.iwj.dbg.3: Board Advisors
Tue Aug 10 15:30:21 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> 7 yes, 2 abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:30:32 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Joey: yes you can, just perform a spacectomary to the lateral aspect of your bang-glyph
Tue Aug 10 15:30:40 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> er, spaceectomy
Tue Aug 10 15:30:40 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> note that this resolution replaces 5 other resolutions covering advisors 
Tue Aug 10 15:30:44 2004 | <slef:#spi> What happens to existing advisors?
Tue Aug 10 15:30:51 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> basically restarting advisoring from scratch 
Tue Aug 10 15:30:57 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> They stay if they're project-appointed, obviously.
Tue Aug 10 15:31:00 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> not a bad idea.  Too much historical chaos.
Tue Aug 10 15:31:00 2004 | <Joey:#spi> !vote abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:31:01 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted abstain vote from Joey
Tue Aug 10 15:31:08 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> we haven't started voting yet
Tue Aug 10 15:31:10 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> but ok :-)
Tue Aug 10 15:31:11 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Joey: which vote was that for?
Tue Aug 10 15:31:19 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> the bot shouldn't ack a vote if there's not a vote open.
Tue Aug 10 15:31:22 2004 | <Joey:#spi> the one where I said "! vote abstain"
Tue Aug 10 15:31:24 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Overfiend: indeed.
Tue Aug 10 15:31:27 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Joey: okay
Tue Aug 10 15:31:29 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> !vote stop
Tue Aug 10 15:31:30 2004 | <bolt:#spi> vote result: yes. 7 yes votes, 0 no votes and 2 abstains
Tue Aug 10 15:31:32 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> overfiend: it's primitive. 
Tue Aug 10 15:31:33 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> there we go
Tue Aug 10 15:31:34 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> ugh
Tue Aug 10 15:31:35 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> it got it right
Tue Aug 10 15:31:44 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> that's why it works that way I guess
Tue Aug 10 15:31:45 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> yeah, but it's statefulness is a bit...nuts.
Tue Aug 10 15:31:46 2004 | <slef:#spi> I think the chair was a little buggy there ;-)
Tue Aug 10 15:31:49 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> *nod*
Tue Aug 10 15:31:49 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> ok, those results were for 2004-08-10.iwj.1.
Tue Aug 10 15:31:51 2004 | <bdale:#spi> better lucky than good?
Tue Aug 10 15:31:54 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> as soon as you say !vote start it resets the stats 
Tue Aug 10 15:31:58 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> other than that they go up forever 
Tue Aug 10 15:32:02 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> cdlu: ah.
Tue Aug 10 15:32:02 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> now, on to 2004-08-10.iwj.dbg.3
Tue Aug 10 15:32:16 2004 | <mako:#spi> a little more simple
Tue Aug 10 15:32:21 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> any other discussion?
Tue Aug 10 15:32:23 2004 | <bdale:#spi> a question
Tue Aug 10 15:32:25 2004 | <jello:#spi> i'm confused about this resolution, are the advisors part of the board?
Tue Aug 10 15:32:29 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> jello: no
Tue Aug 10 15:32:33 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> jello: no, in that they do not have a vote
Tue Aug 10 15:32:39 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> They can observe and speak but not vote.
Tue Aug 10 15:32:39 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> jello: they're advisors to the board but do not have a vote and do not speak on behalf of SPI 
Tue Aug 10 15:32:43 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> however, they are subscribed to the board "alias" (list)
Tue Aug 10 15:32:44 2004 | <slef:#spi> Diziet: who are current advisors?
Tue Aug 10 15:33:00 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> slef: that's to be figured out following the passage of this resolution 
Tue Aug 10 15:33:03 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> jello: the Board *can* conduct business out of the view of the advisors, but in practice that almost never happens.
Tue Aug 10 15:33:05 2004 | <jello:#spi> Overfiend: ah, i was getting the impression that they were eye candy...
Tue Aug 10 15:33:07 2004 | <bdale:#spi> is it expected that there'll be a distinct advisor from each project, or if someone representative from the project is already a board member would having them play both roles be acceptable?
Tue Aug 10 15:33:08 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Um, just Martin I think BICBW.  Has anyone else appointed an advisor who's not on the board already ?
Tue Aug 10 15:33:18 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> jello: no, they're there to keep the Board accountable to its member projects.
Tue Aug 10 15:33:20 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> bdale: That would be up to the project.
Tue Aug 10 15:33:22 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> It's an important job.
Tue Aug 10 15:33:30 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Diziet: ok
Tue Aug 10 15:33:43 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> jello: They are somewhat eye-candy in that they have no real power.  But they have influence and can see what we do.
Tue Aug 10 15:33:44 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> If the Board lies about what's been up to, the advisors can report this to the member projects.
Tue Aug 10 15:33:46 2004 | <slef:#spi> Diziet: who is supposed to track advisors?
Tue Aug 10 15:33:54 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> s/what's/what it's/
Tue Aug 10 15:33:57 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> slef: Um, our listadmin I think mainly :-).
Tue Aug 10 15:34:11 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Our Secretary ought to put them on the website.
Tue Aug 10 15:34:14 2004 | <bdale:#spi> technically, the secretary should maintain the list alongside the list of board members, I'd think
Tue Aug 10 15:34:19 2004 | * jello:#spi is less confused now, thanks all
Tue Aug 10 15:34:20 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Diziet: we have a semi-formal advisor from wxWidgets
Tue Aug 10 15:34:21 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> according to our website:
Tue Aug 10 15:34:25 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/board
Tue Aug 10 15:34:32 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> look at the bottom
Tue Aug 10 15:34:32 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> jello: I see the advisors as being there like the westminster senate - the house of sober second thought, and a way to ensure that SPI represents all its projects' interests 
Tue Aug 10 15:34:33 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> which, btw, may or may not be up to date.
Tue Aug 10 15:34:35 2004 | <mako:#spi> slef: the member projects
Tue Aug 10 15:34:41 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> well, I think Jeff Waugh is indeed a rep from GNOME
Tue Aug 10 15:34:46 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> i.e. I remember some mail from him
Tue Aug 10 15:34:48 2004 | <Joey:#spi>    remove, or replace a Project's nominee(s), should the need arise.
Tue Aug 10 15:34:49 2004 | <mako:#spi> slef: ah, misunderstood track perhaps
Tue Aug 10 15:34:54 2004 | <slef:#spi> Hydroxide: thanks. That wasn't an obvious place for me to look.
Tue Aug 10 15:34:57 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> and Chris Rourk is a little bit different than what we mean for an advisor
Tue Aug 10 15:35:03 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Guido resigned as OSI's advisor in something approximating disgust.
Tue Aug 10 15:35:03 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> in this resolution
Tue Aug 10 15:35:04 2004 | <bdale:#spi> as an advisor prior to the most recent election, I mostly just made a pain of myself about issues that I thought the board wasn't adequately addressing...
Tue Aug 10 15:35:04 2004 | <Joey:#spi> I believe we should state that this has to be an exception or define the "need"
Tue Aug 10 15:35:09 2004 | <mako:#spi> Hydroxide: jeff waugh is.. he's here w/ me now actually :)
Tue Aug 10 15:35:09 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> rourk is an unpaid employee 
Tue Aug 10 15:35:15 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> *nod*
Tue Aug 10 15:35:19 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> mako: cool :)
Tue Aug 10 15:35:28 2004 | <jello:#spi> ok, another question: why does the board appoint the advisors and the the projects themselves?
Tue Aug 10 15:35:28 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> joey: Since the board defines the whole advisors thing anyway, the board _can_ get rid of them anyway.
Tue Aug 10 15:35:33 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> That statement is just to make that clear.
Tue Aug 10 15:35:35 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> mako: his blogogotchi or whatever it is scares me.  You just let him know that.
Tue Aug 10 15:35:44 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> I did say `but we hope not to do it' in my version but cdlu didn't like it.
Tue Aug 10 15:35:44 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> jello: this resolution allows the projects themselves to 
Tue Aug 10 15:35:51 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> jello: that's largely its purpose 
Tue Aug 10 15:35:55 2004 | <jello:#spi> cdlu: that's not what #8 says
Tue Aug 10 15:35:56 2004 | <slef:#spi> Hydroxide: wishlist bug: a link to each advisor's appointing resolution would be good.
Tue Aug 10 15:36:05 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> slef: good idea.
Tue Aug 10 15:36:08 2004 | <jello:#spi> oh, ok, now i see...
Tue Aug 10 15:36:15 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> slef: Most advisors are going to be under this rep. adv. resolution, we expect.
Tue Aug 10 15:36:16 2004 | * jello:#spi shakes the cobwebs out
Tue Aug 10 15:36:54 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> is there further discussion or are we ready to vote?
Tue Aug 10 15:36:58 2004 | * cdlu:#spi ready 
Tue Aug 10 15:37:00 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> I am ready
Tue Aug 10 15:37:01 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> I think we're ready.
Tue Aug 10 15:37:01 2004 | <mako:#spi> i'm ready to vote
Tue Aug 10 15:37:03 2004 | <bdale:#spi> ready
Tue Aug 10 15:37:05 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Wait a mo.
Tue Aug 10 15:37:06 2004 | <slef:#spi> Diziet: I thought they need mandate from assoc project or SPI board?
Tue Aug 10 15:37:10 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Joey, have I answered your question ?
Tue Aug 10 15:37:16 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> we'll wait for diziet
Tue Aug 10 15:37:16 2004 | <Joey:#spi> yes, but I'm not happy.
Tue Aug 10 15:37:22 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> slef: Yes, that's right, but it might not be an SPI board resolution.
Tue Aug 10 15:37:22 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> Joey: with what? 
Tue Aug 10 15:37:26 2004 | <Joey:#spi> with the answer
Tue Aug 10 15:37:27 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Joey: you mean you ever were? :)
Tue Aug 10 15:37:32 2004 | <Joey:#spi> and hence with the resolution
Tue Aug 10 15:37:32 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> joey: What would you prefer ?
Tue Aug 10 15:37:42 2004 | <Joey:#spi> Overfiend, only if you don't watch :)
Tue Aug 10 15:37:47 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Joey: :)
Tue Aug 10 15:37:48 2004 | <Joey:#spi> Like I said.
Tue Aug 10 15:37:50 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> I had:    The SPI Board also reserves the right to reject, remove, or replace a Project's nominee(s) (but the Board hopes not to feel the need to do so).
Tue Aug 10 15:37:52 2004 | <Joey:#spi> > I believe we should state that this has to be an exception or define the "need"
Tue Aug 10 15:37:53 2004 | <mako:#spi> slef: they are/should be responsible to their own member projects
Tue Aug 10 15:37:55 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> We could shelve this item as unripe, and discuss it further.
Tue Aug 10 15:37:57 2004 | <slef:#spi> OK, then: wishlist bug: a link to each advisor's mandate would be good.
Tue Aug 10 15:38:05 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Would that satisfy you ?
Tue Aug 10 15:38:09 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> Overfiend: except I think 8/9 people are ready :) 
Tue Aug 10 15:38:10 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> try harder to solicit feedback from the member projects.
Tue Aug 10 15:38:13 2004 | <mako:#spi> slef: but that's up the projects to sort that out, not us
Tue Aug 10 15:38:26 2004 | <Joey:#spi> That phrase would be fine with me.
Tue Aug 10 15:38:29 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> cdlu: in a body this small it behooves us to take the concerns of any one board member seriously.
Tue Aug 10 15:38:35 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> cdlu, do accept that amendment ?
Tue Aug 10 15:38:36 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Diziet: I think the phrasing is a bit on the wimpy side, but I'd live with it.
Tue Aug 10 15:38:44 2004 | <slef:#spi> mako: it is up to SPI to satisfy itself that they actually have a mandate.
Tue Aug 10 15:38:47 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Yes, but cdlu and I went round and round on this.
Tue Aug 10 15:38:50 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> what amendment? 
Tue Aug 10 15:38:50 2004 | <mako:#spi> bdale: yep
Tue Aug 10 15:39:00 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> cdlu: <Diziet> I had:    The SPI Board also reserves the right to reject, remove, or replace a Project's nominee(s) (but the Board hopes not to feel the need to do so).
Tue Aug 10 15:39:03 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> I think Diziet's amendment is fine
Tue Aug 10 15:39:09 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> shall we vote on that amendment?
Tue Aug 10 15:39:13 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> cdlu: The amendment to replace `should the need arise' with `(but the Board hopes not to feel the need to do so)'.
Tue Aug 10 15:39:15 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> and then the resolution as a whole?
Tue Aug 10 15:39:21 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> If cdlu accepts it then we don't need to vote on it.
Tue Aug 10 15:39:24 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> How about ", but the Board will only do so with cause."?
Tue Aug 10 15:39:24 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> *nod*
Tue Aug 10 15:39:24 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Unless someone objects.
Tue Aug 10 15:39:25 2004 | * cdlu:#spi has never agreed with the amendment -- which is how it used to be 
Tue Aug 10 15:39:32 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Hydroxide: yes, we will do that, but we're not quite clear on this yet
Tue Aug 10 15:39:36 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Overfiend: that's no better
Tue Aug 10 15:39:42 2004 | <mako:#spi> slef: and it's up to projects to select reps who are actually representative.. we can't do as a good a job of telling oftc who represents them as oftc can
Tue Aug 10 15:39:50 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> OK, since cdlu objects we're going to have to vote.
Tue Aug 10 15:39:55 2004 | * bdale:#spi thinks that putting "but we'll try not to" clauses in just complicates the text without conveying anything useful
Tue Aug 10 15:40:06 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> the reason it is there is to prevent a member project who's on the outs with us from appointing a disruptive advisor
Tue Aug 10 15:40:11 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> think Russell Nelson on a bad day
Tue Aug 10 15:40:11 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> bdale: But we can't (and don't want to) promise not to.
Tue Aug 10 15:40:12 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> it was like that (the bracketed stuff) before in discussion between me and iwj 
Tue Aug 10 15:40:12 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> Call the question.
Tue Aug 10 15:40:22 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Saying we don't want to at least makes it clear we don't expect to be doing it.
Tue Aug 10 15:40:22 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> I've always thought a sentence like that doesn't belong in a resolution 
Tue Aug 10 15:40:31 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Diziet: I'm happy with the text of that section as it stands on the site now
Tue Aug 10 15:40:34 2004 | <slef:#spi> mako: no, but you could try to tell SPI members :-(
Tue Aug 10 15:40:35 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> it's in our interests not to use it if we don't have to, but saying it like a kid saying he won't rob a candy store is not really helpful :) 
Tue Aug 10 15:40:38 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> cdlu doesn't believe resolutions should have hopes and wishes in.
Tue Aug 10 15:40:49 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> bdale: But Joey isn't.
Tue Aug 10 15:40:54 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> "Call the question" is a motion to go to vote immediately.
Tue Aug 10 15:41:03 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> ok, the vote is on replacing "should the need arise" with "(but the Board hopes not to feel the need to do so)"
Tue Aug 10 15:41:04 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> the current language is fine, IMO -- just trying to meet people half way.
Tue Aug 10 15:41:06 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote start
Tue Aug 10 15:41:06 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Starting a new vote
Tue Aug 10 15:41:07 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> CR: Good.
Tue Aug 10 15:41:07 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote no 
Tue Aug 10 15:41:08 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted no vote from cdlu
Tue Aug 10 15:41:08 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:41:09 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Diziet
Tue Aug 10 15:41:13 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> !vote no
Tue Aug 10 15:41:13 2004 | <Joey:#spi> Well, in my opinion the member project should select the advisor, not spi.  if spi doesn't like the advisor, it's SPIs problem but not their right to kick the advisor.
Tue Aug 10 15:41:13 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted no vote from Overfiend
Tue Aug 10 15:41:14 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:41:15 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted abstain vote from CosmicRay
Tue Aug 10 15:41:16 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> !vote abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:41:17 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted abstain vote from Hydroxide
Tue Aug 10 15:41:19 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> !vote no
Tue Aug 10 15:41:20 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted no vote from BrucePerens
Tue Aug 10 15:41:22 2004 | <bdale:#spi> !vote no
Tue Aug 10 15:41:22 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted no vote from bdale
Tue Aug 10 15:41:23 2004 | <Joey:#spi> abstian or no...
Tue Aug 10 15:41:28 2004 | <Joey:#spi> *ponder*
Tue Aug 10 15:41:32 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> joey: You're a fool.
Tue Aug 10 15:41:37 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> You have to vote yes, this is the best you're going to get.
Tue Aug 10 15:41:38 2004 | <Joey:#spi> I know.
Tue Aug 10 15:41:49 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Whichever way this goes you get to vote no on the result.
Tue Aug 10 15:42:03 2004 | <mako:#spi> !vote no
Tue Aug 10 15:42:03 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted no vote from mako
Tue Aug 10 15:42:04 2004 | <Joey:#spi> !vote abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:42:05 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted abstain vote from Joey
Tue Aug 10 15:42:05 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Diziet: calling him a fool doesn't help... were I him, I might well abstain.
Tue Aug 10 15:42:07 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Clearly you must think this amendment is better than the other.
Tue Aug 10 15:42:12 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote stop
Tue Aug 10 15:42:12 2004 | <bolt:#spi> vote result: no. 1 yes votes, 5 no votes and 3 abstains
Tue Aug 10 15:42:16 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Joey: if we go ass-wild rejecting advisors, you have the right to scream and shout about it.  Ultimately we should end up being self-governing, as member projects who are fed up with us can just leave and we cut them a check, per the previous resolution.
Tue Aug 10 15:42:19 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Abstain is fine, I suppose, but no is silly.
Tue Aug 10 15:42:19 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> the amendment is defeated.
Tue Aug 10 15:42:20 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> that's 9 
Tue Aug 10 15:42:36 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> are we ready to vote on the resolution?
Tue Aug 10 15:42:39 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> Right.  Let's vote on the original then.  Unless someone wants to propose another amendment ?
Tue Aug 10 15:42:39 2004 | * Hydroxide:#spi is
Tue Aug 10 15:42:47 2004 | * cdlu:#spi ready 
Tue Aug 10 15:42:51 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> the vote is on Resolution 2004-08-10.iwj.dbg.3: Board Advisors
Tue Aug 10 15:42:55 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote start
Tue Aug 10 15:42:55 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Starting a new vote
Tue Aug 10 15:42:55 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:42:56 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Hydroxide
Tue Aug 10 15:42:56 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:42:57 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Diziet
Tue Aug 10 15:42:58 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:42:58 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote yes 
Tue Aug 10 15:42:59 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from Overfiend
Tue Aug 10 15:42:59 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from cdlu
Tue Aug 10 15:43:01 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:43:01 2004 | <Joey:#spi> The original is what is in the agenda von cdlu?
Tue Aug 10 15:43:01 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from CosmicRay
Tue Aug 10 15:43:03 2004 | <BrucePerens:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:43:04 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from BrucePerens
Tue Aug 10 15:43:05 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Joey: yes
Tue Aug 10 15:43:06 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Joey: correct
Tue Aug 10 15:43:07 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Joey: yes it is
Tue Aug 10 15:43:07 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> joey: Yes.
Tue Aug 10 15:43:07 2004 | <Joey:#spi> !vote abstain
Tue Aug 10 15:43:08 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted abstain vote from Joey
Tue Aug 10 15:43:15 2004 | <bdale:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:43:16 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from bdale
Tue Aug 10 15:43:28 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> hmm, mako yet?
Tue Aug 10 15:43:32 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> just missing mako 
Tue Aug 10 15:43:34 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote stop 
Tue Aug 10 15:43:35 2004 | <Diziet:#spi> I would like to point out to Joey that if he'd been reading the board list we could have had this argument by email, and he could have actually proposed a stronger wording of his own.
Tue Aug 10 15:43:35 2004 | <bolt:#spi> vote result: yes. 7 yes votes, 0 no votes and 1 abstains
Tue Aug 10 15:43:37 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> HEY VEEP.  AWAKEN SIE
Tue Aug 10 15:43:39 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> (you can !vote stop repeatedly) 
Tue Aug 10 15:43:48 2004 | <mako:#spi> !vote yes
Tue Aug 10 15:43:49 2004 | <bolt:#spi> Noted yes vote from mako
Tue Aug 10 15:43:49 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> Resolution 2004-08-10.iwj.dbg.3: Board Advisors passes.
Tue Aug 10 15:43:51 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> !vote stop 
Tue Aug 10 15:43:53 2004 | <bolt:#spi> vote result: yes. 8 yes votes, 0 no votes and 1 abstains
Tue Aug 10 15:43:56 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> passed 8:0:1 
Tue Aug 10 15:44:18 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> that does it for the resolutions on the agenda.
Tue Aug 10 15:44:20 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> shell we move on?
Tue Aug 10 15:44:24 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> yes
Tue Aug 10 15:44:27 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Diziet: the Cabal runs strong in that one ;-)
Tue Aug 10 15:44:30 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> [item 6, next meeting] September 7, 2004 at 19:00 UTC has been proposed for our next meeting.  Are there any objections?
Tue Aug 10 15:44:39 2004 | * Overfiend:#spi does not object.
Tue Aug 10 15:44:43 2004 | * Joey:#spi would like to point out to Diziet that sending 20 mails to the board list right before the meeting (I came back 45 minutes before the meeting) is not useful.
Tue Aug 10 15:44:46 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> sounds good to me 
Tue Aug 10 15:44:53 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Joey: I second that.
Tue Aug 10 15:44:54 2004 | <bdale:#spi> Sept 7 is good for me
Tue Aug 10 15:44:56 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> ok, let's assume that (it's our usual first tuesday time)
Tue Aug 10 15:45:02 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> sounds fine to me
Tue Aug 10 15:45:03 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> is there anyo ther busines beforee we adjourn?
Tue Aug 10 15:45:04 2004 | <Overfiend:#spi> Joey: I doubt, however, that we'll be able to change it.
Tue Aug 10 15:45:06 2004 | <Joey:#spi> It's just like the Debian freeze...
Tue Aug 10 15:45:12 2004 | <Joey:#spi> Overfiend: ack
Tue Aug 10 15:45:12 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> CosmicRay: nothing here 
Tue Aug 10 15:45:13 2004 | <Hydroxide:#spi> Joey: hehe
Tue Aug 10 15:45:20 2004 | <Joey:#spi> Damn, I seconded your output... :)
Tue Aug 10 15:45:28 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> thank you all for giving us a full-attendance meeting 
Tue Aug 10 15:45:32 2004 | <cdlu:#spi> I can't remember the last time that happened :) 
Tue Aug 10 15:45:32 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> [item 7, adjournment] This meeting of Software in the Public Interest is adjourned.
Tue Aug 10 15:45:32 2004 | <CosmicRay:#spi> *GAVEL*