[Spi-private] Bruce's Platform

Matthew Garrett mjg59-spi at srcf.ucam.org
Fri Jul 14 16:38:07 UTC 2006

On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 09:19:26AM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > "* to provide information and education regarding the proper use of the 
> > Internet"
> >   
> I went over the by-law missions in another email. A number of them fit.

I quite strongly disagree.

> > I see no evidence whatsoever that lobbying is within SPI's current 
> > remit.
> >   
> Let's not call it lobbying. Some of that can't be done within a 501(c)3,
> and some can. It's education.

Education of a sort that is not part of SPI's currently stated goals. 
Let's be quite clear, here. You want to be elected so that you can get 
SPI to do something that it currently doesn't do, something that's 
outside its currently listed goals and something that several people 
have expressed disquiet over. You've also admitted that you could do 
this without being involved in SPI.

> > I'm not sure that that's obvious. Does having multiple groups arguing 
> > the same general point not risk the fundamental argument being lost 
> > amongst the less important differences?
> Actually, it creates a constituency. One of the current problems of EFF
> is that they are sometimes seen as alone in this.

Excellent. We can put out a press release saying that SPI wholeheartedly 
endorses the EFF's efforts in this field, which ought to help in that 

> > I'm sorry, I find that insulting. Nothing in the social contract defines Debian's role with respect to SPI.
> I don't know why that would be insulting. The social contract doesn't
> have to define anything about SPI, it defines a good mission for Debian.

I find the idea of you defining Debian's role in the SPI/Debian 
relationship insulting. If there is to be a determination of what 
Debian's role is, that's something that should be discussed with Debian 
rather than having you unilaterally stating that advocacy should be left 
up to SPI. It just ends up sounding like "I know better".

> > Given the number of times you've resigned for Debian
> Once? Please stop beating dead horses of 1998.

You appear to have attempted to do so on at least four separate 

> > Of course, changing the by-laws would require convincing people that 
> > mail was a better alternative to IRC.
> Our meetings are far outside of the by-laws right now. Read article 4.
> But I would not have to change the by-laws to hold most meetings over email.

I can't see any realistic way of conforming to article 6 in anything 
other than a real-time discussion medium.

Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org

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