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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Hilmar,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19-04-15 12 h 32, Hilmar Lapp wrote:<br>
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<div>It seems the current language of the section on amending the
bylaws in essence require at least (= in the best case, i.e.,
100% approving votes) a two thirds quorum for any (substantive,
i..e., beyond listing of current officers) changes to the bylaws
to pass. Even if that’s not what it states, it’s what the
language effectively results in; though the fact that it does
not mention putting into effect a quorum makes one wonder
whether this was indeed the intended effect of those who
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<div>A two thirds quorum of the full membership is highly unlikely
to ever be reached, so there’s the potential here that SPI will
be forever locked into the current version of the bylaws. (I
suppose the only way out would be to dissolve and
re-incorporate?)</div>
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<div>Perhaps it would be better to divide the proposed changes
into two steps. The first would be to _only_ alter the section
on bylaws amendments to establish a more reasonable (i.e.,
realistically attainable) quorum. This would hopefully
constitute a small and focused enough change that those unable
to invest the necessary time to fully understand a much more
complex set of changes to review it, form an opinion, and vote.
Once that’s enacted, the more complex set of changes can be
brought up for a vote, and getting that approved then doesn’t
force nearly everyone to choose between spending a significant
amount of time on really understanding the proposed changes, or
casting an uninformed vote, or by abstaining effectively casting
a disapproving vote.</div>
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<p>The possibility you mention is "interesting", and your suggestion
would be a great solution to that problem. However, considering
that only 20 approvals were missing out of 216 contributing
members, I am quite skeptical that this is needed. I setup a quick
poll on <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.philippecloutier.com/SPI+bylaws">http://www.philippecloutier.com/SPI+bylaws</a> to estimate how
many contributing members regret not having voted.</p>
<p>It would by the way be great to use "continual consideration" for
timeless proposals like this one so there is no need to restart a
vote from 0 if only a few votes are missing.</p>
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<div class="">On Apr 15, 2019, at 6:18 AM, Henrik Ingo <<a
href="mailto:henrik.ingo@avoinelama.fi" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">henrik.ingo@avoinelama.fi</a>>
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<div class="">On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 8:48 PM Filipus
Klutiero <<a href="mailto:chealer@gmail.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">chealer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">I wondered if I had been
negligent, reading the voting communication too fast,
but after looking at my mailbox (which might be missing
1 mail), I didn't find any indication that abstention
effectively opposed the change. Judging from <a
href="http://lists.spi-inc.org/pipermail/spi-general/2019-March/003965.html"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.spi-inc.org/pipermail/spi-general/2019-March/003965.html</a>
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This is true for me as well. I assumed this would pass as
a routine<br class="">
decision and since I haven't been so active in SPI
recently, I didn't<br class="">
spend the effort to personally familiarize myself with the
text of the<br class="">
new bylaws and then vote. I regret to see the effort to
renew the<br class="">
bylaws go to waste because of this and it wasn't my
intention to<br class="">
effectively vote against approval.<br class="">
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